From Vintage Glam to Wealthy Wisdom: Louise B's Entrepreneurial Journey

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to you just before Christmas: 2023

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That's all right. Always time for fun,

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And it will be fun with you and I. We just got to keep focused, keep focused. Otherwise we'll be off on all the tangents. But yes, so Louise and I have actually known each other for, gosh, over 12 years now because we both have a business with network marketing company Arbon International. But Louise is also just, she wears so many hats. She also owns a traditional business. She runs a podcast herself. She's a Christian podcast, which is amazing. She invests in whiskey, but she's never drank a drop, which I love. She's married to a very busy surgeon. She has three kids under six. She helps out on the kids' rotor at church and all the things. And she's even and has joined or been invited to join. This isn't sort of something you can just do. We've invited to join and accepted into the Evangelical Alliance for the Scottish Public Lead Program. So she's going to tell us a little bit more about that. That is super, super interesting. But yes, as you can tell, Louise is a busy lady, so I'm delighted to have her here to share more with the women in our Thriving Women Project. So Louise, is there anything else you want to add to that introduction? Because I know you're not about all the titles in life, you're much more about the fun stuff. So tell me some RDO facts about you. I know there's quite a few

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Collect vintage Chanel because

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Hello

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I, and that's really funny, but it's sitting beside me. I'll just show you if you want. This is my Lambskin 19 85, 24 car gold hardware vintage Chanel, and I purchased it as I've done before. I'll send off to the handbag factory to get redone and then I'll put it to auction.

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And then she invest that money in whiskey. Honestly, this woman, what she doesn't know about investing, but I know there was quite a journey for you because you were someone who was living quite the high life in the sense of you were earning a lot of money in your online business before kids, and you just basically said that you were kind of wasting it. You weren't being very mindful with it. And then you had this epiphany, you read a book. What was the book that you read?

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The Millionaire Next Door?

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You essentially earned about: 1200

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Is a wasting asset, which means it's exempt from capital gains tax. So prior to this, just in case anyone thinks that I am fancy or sound fancy, absolutely not. I was earning a very good income with Arbon International and didn't have many outgoings. So I ended up frittering it away and getting into credit card debt, which was completely unexcusable and embarrassing and stupid because I wasn't paying for any of life essentials. I was going to h and m and I read the Millionaire Next Door, and this coincided with just feeling tired of my stuff. Actually, no, I didn't even have my kids, it was before I was even married. I just got to the point where I was feeling a bit tired of my stuff, and I also didn't want to enter into marriage with any debt because I knew that I have to be fully transparent with the person I was going to marry, but what he was marrying and what he was taking on.

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So I decided I had to clean up my game. So my game was cleaned up a bit, so to speak when it came to the consumption of stuff. And that was because I read a book called The Millionaire Next Door. It was actually recommended to me by one of the youth pastors of the time at my church. And it is a very old book, but it's the most in-depth study ever on the spending habits and the behind the curtain peak at the money of America's Millionaires. And the spoiler alert, if you're looking for it is it's not the people with Gucci belts driving Range Rover sports. It's the people in the average house next door that pay for everything in cash that have set the next generation up well, who have been very, very smart with their money and have never bought into the concept of keeping up with the Joneses because keeping up with the Joneses, regardless of your level of income will always leave you wanting more and making really pure financial decisions.

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So you're buying stuff that you don't need to impress people that you don't even like. So I was able to rewire my brain, so to speak, when I looked at stuff and outward impedances and things like that. And yeah, that took me on a journey of learning about money and how money works and became quite fascinated with it actually. So more recently when we had put our house on the market, I had, if you're smart with your money, and I'm very mindful as well, there's a cost of living crisis going on right now. But just something that was unique to me was you only have so much you can put into a tax wrapper every year. So an isa and you only have so much you can put into say, national savings and investment, so you don't get anything back on that, but it's essentially a lottery.

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And after that you have to be a bit more creative of what you do. And I decided that I wanted to get into the world of investing a bit heavily with more interesting things. And what I decided to do was I wanted to find a way of doing it so that I could report back and make it accessible and doable for the average person. So I gathered up all of my cheap fast fashion of which there was a lot, and I started selling on vented and all the money stayed in my vintage account, and the real prize actually was getting to walk into a nice clean closet and get to wake up every day with just less stuff. So the more that I sold that I purged, the clearer my mind began to feel. But I got this pot of money and I tracked down a vintage Chanel handbag, and at the same time, I'd been reading a lot into the price increases that Chanel were doing and different asset classes you can invest in and luxury fashion as being one of them.

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And I thought, well, that speaks my language more than anything that's way more funds or anything like that. I love handbags. I'm a total girly girl, and I tracked down this Chanel handbag. It went through its authenticity checks, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I bought it for 1200 pound. I mean, that's a lot of money, but wild for what it is. And it was the year of my birth and I sent it off to get redone at the handbag factory, and then I put up for auction and I flipped it. So I flipped a handbag and I made 5,000 pound and I bought whiskey because whiskey is exempt of capital gains tax. And once I had then got an offer on that whiskey, I sold that whiskey and I rebalanced my portfolio and we were able to then buy a few more casks of whiskey, meaning that we have whiskey in for all of our children, and that really makes me feel happy. So that was a fun wee game, and it started from selling piles and piles of clothes. And I wanted to do that because I didn't want anyone to say to me, well, you're privileged because your husband's a doctor. You must have money to spare or you've got a business and blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Not with what doctors earn. And you can, doctors are not rich. But no, I know. I love that. Back in the day it was like, be a doctor, you'll be rich. It's like, no, don't be a doctor. But I love this story because I think it's so important to the woman in this community, whatever age you're at, and I've certainly been so much more of that. It's so interesting, our definitions of what we think success is when we're younger and the fancy job and the fancy car and the big house and all these things. And actually the older you get, the more you just think, no, this is not what's real. And I know you stand for so much about family values and what's important, and I know for you, juggling motherhood, running businesses, you love it. But what I love so much about you is that you always keep your family and your faith at the front and center of everything you do. So talk to us a little bit more about what that's looked like over the last few years, becoming a mom, running a business, all the things you're juggling and how you just, because I love your attitude. You just do things the Louise way. You're not interested in keeping up with the Joneses, copying what anyone else is doing. You run your rice.

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One of our mutual friends, Leslie Collins, she might listen to this, said something that really resonated with me. She was at one of our retreats and she spoke about running her business, herbon businesses before kids. And she was like, what did I do with my time? I could have learned three languages. And that is true.

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I know. It's so true. It's so true.

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I look back with some regret because I wish I'd been smarter with my time before I had kids. I honestly feel that had my back not being up against a wall on so many occasions, whether it was me feeling stressed out or a little bit exasperated, then my mind would've been opened to some of the things that led to my expanded knowledge changing things.

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No, I think everything I know as cliche as it sounds, everything happens for a reason. And I think there's so many things we wish we could go back and tell our younger selves, but talk to me about how you've managed your health and wellbeing because this is really a podcast community of women that want to thrive in all areas of their life and their health and their business. And I know you've been on quite a journey with your health over the past few years. I mean, you've never been an unhealthy person. I do know you do have a special place in your heart for chocolate that is a Louise weakness, but don't we all honestly, but yes. Tell me a little bit more about your health journey. Yes. Over the

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ad my baby, my second baby in: 2020

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Just before lockdown

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13th, and we went into a lockdown five weeks later. And not that I knew we were going to go into lockdown at the time, but the week before a lockdown, thank goodness, I went to the doctor and I'd never been to a doctor before. In fact, I've been to a doctor once when I was wee because my mom took me to get my tica frozen off as the only time in my life I have ever been to a doctor was about eight years old. And I didn't know what I was going to say to him. I was really embarrassed. But the night before, I remember saying to myself, just put one foot in front of the other. So just get the baby's jackets on, just walk downstairs, just drive the car, just get there. And I didn't know what I was going to say to him, but I just know that I was feeling very, very irritated and angry and extreme murderous rage and very depressed and very crawling out of my own skin.

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And I couldn't explain. I was crawling up the wall and I used to sit there and think, I want to dial 9, 9, 9 and tell someone that I'm going to stab my kids to death so that a police woman comes and just plucks me at the situation and puts me in a cell and I can just be by myself. Because I knew there was all these charities and stuff that say, if you've got the baby blues or you're feeling down, like drop into your local Watson Watts cafe. But I was like, well, by the time next Wednesday rolls around and I park and put the kids into the pram and walk there, I'll feel right as rain again. But I had these very desperate moments. And

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You're also an introvert by nature. So the idea of going to a cafe to talk to random strangers is

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Not helpful. I'd rather like a pavement. So I had these intense waves of murderous rage and irritation that would wash over me, and I didn't know what to do in the minute. And I was pacing back and forward and I'm almost pulling my own skin off. And I remember just thinking, I actually think the only thing I can do is call the police because then someone will be there fast and they'll get me in the minute and they'll help me. But I decided no, tomorrow morning I'll go to the GP even if I feel perkier, even if I feel better. So I went along for you, went in, and I just said to Dr. Burt, I said Hi. And I said, I don't feel very right. I dunno what's going on. And I don't really remember much after that. But I do know that within four to eight hours he'd referred me to psychiatrist and I sat a room with psychiatrists.

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And if anyone's ever been to anything like that, you feel instantly embarrassed. You feel like, great, now I'm this incapable nut job. And so I went along and I thought, I'll just dress a bit better so they know that I'm not a complete nutter and that, I dunno what I was thinking. It was just complete pride. So then I went into the room and I'm trying to play it down. And then I thought, no, do you know what? This is a massive chance to have these healthcare professionals really, really help me because at the time after I'd had Tabitha, I was feeling high levels of irritation. I'd get up in the morning and I couldn't leave my room without doing my bed 10 times and I'd put on clothes and then I'd put on a particular top and think something doesn't feel right about this.

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And if I wear this top today, my family are going to die, or something bad's going to happen, I would take the top off again, put something else on. So I was absolutely trapped in my own routines. I couldn't even make it out my bedroom door to feed my kids. So by this point, my 2-year-old is crying for breakfast, but I couldn't go downstairs or I'd walk downstairs and I think if I step on the bottom step, someone's going to die, something bad's going to happen. I just have to right my wrong and go back upstairs, or I do this thing now that I know is neutralizing behavior. I'd have a thought that my dad had fallen off a ladder and something horrendous had happened. And I'd think as I was walking through the living room door, so I'd have to go and redo the behavior and think a good thought so that the thing would never happen.

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And I didn't know at the time, but I'm deep en raging OCD, that has absolutely choked me. And I explained all of this to the psychiatrist and there was two of them in the room. And I thought, they're going to think I'm nuts, but this is my chance to get some help and I carefully lock me up. I don't get to put me in a padded cell, but I just need someone to give me a silver bullet and make me feel better again. And the psychiatrist said to me, do you mean that you have to do things until things feel right? And I was like, yes, that's it. And I was diagnosed with postpartum OCD, and long story short, I won't go into it because I wasn't able to fulfill my rituals and complete things in my head, and I had to do a lot of neutralizing thinking.

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I was getting irritated whenever one of my kids would interrupt that flow and that irritation was causing really bad depression and anxiety, and they prot portrayed me drugs. And I went home and I sat down with my husband who's a doctor, and I said, I've not been feeling right. He's like, I can see that well off. But he kind of stood back and kind of allowed me to figure that out myself. And I said, I've been prescribed sertraline and they want me to go on it at 200 milligrams, which is the highest licensed dose. They said that's where it'll be most effective towards OCD. And he was just very gracious. And he said, well, you're your own person. Do it or don't do it, make the decision, but there's no judgment for me. So I had this little bit of description, this little check, and to me, drugs had always been something where if you take them, that's you for life, they will give you synthetic happiness.

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I believed all of the things that you believe about drugs until you've taken them right SSRIs. And I thought, this is the bravest thing I've ever, ever done in my life. But I went to the chemist, I got it, and I went home and it was like that scene from the Matrix and it was like red pillar blue. And I was like, do I swallow this or die? And I remember thinking, what if I swallow this and then I have a synthetic happiness for the rest of my life and I've lived a fake life, but then what if I don't swallow this pill and I just end up stabbing my baby to death, throwing my kid out a window? That's how desperate I felt. So I swallowed the pill, I titrate up to 200 milligrams within three weeks. The relief I felt was unbelievable. We went into a lockdown and my husband stayed away, was frontline at that time. Well, he's worse in theater. And I had my baby. He was five weeks old and I was on a lockdown for two years. Well, no, for long. We're in a lockdown for, I dunno.

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I know. I mean no one, it was all such a blur. Gosh, such blur, Louise. I mean, obviously you've shared all of this with me before. This isn't news to me. But at the same time, just when I hear you talk about it, I cannot begin to imagine because for those of us who are moms who have gone through having kids and those feelings, I mean, it's hard enough without then something being clinically wrong. And I just think if anybody right now is listening to this thinking, oh my gosh, that is me, or that's how I felt. Or I just want to plead with you to go and see your doctor and get the help and support. And I will link to some resources in the show notes for you. But at the same time, the bravest thing, I love what you said there, the bravest thing you've ever done in your life is to just make that appointment and go and take that medication because it's so, isn't it crazy that say you were sitting here telling me a story about how you'd recovered from breast cancer or something, you wouldn't be sitting there going, and I had this big thought about, should I have the surgery, should I take the drugs?

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We'd be going like, yeah, do it. And it's so weird that when it comes to mental health, we have all these stigmas, we have the beliefs, and I know that I struggled with the same thing during lockdown and mild depression. And what I now realize was perimenopausal anxiety and also went on citraline lower dose than yourself. But obviously yours was specifically for reasons that you needed it for. And I know that you've come out the other side of this and you've done the therapy, you've had the meds, you have done the work. And I just want to applaud you for your bravery and thank you so much for sharing that. That couldn't have been easy. You're probably reliving it and just everything, but honestly, you would've blessed someone so much by sharing that story here today and just helping someone else. So let's pick up the tone. Let's torn from

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That. Let's, let's talk about

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Something. I mean, we've spoken about handbags, we've spoken about postnatal depression, whatever's coming next.

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I'll just say though, at the time, one of my biggest fears was if anyone finds out that I'm on these drugs though, I imagined people sitting around their kitchen table that were like, oh, she's not a coper or poor Nathan having to be married to her. Nathan's got a lot on his plate already, or I imagined such pity. So I've never spoken about public number one. And the only reason I speak into your podcast is it will arguably be slightly less distributed around my friends and mine. Well, because you're that one more person away. But I will say that I did a lot of work and the lockdown was a blessing. And as of today, I'm drug free. I do not take a single prescribed drug. And I titrated down over the course of a year and I had some horrific withdrawals. So if anyone's going through that, please reach out because I think coming off something like that is like coming off heroin had horrific withdrawals.

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But as of today, I don't take a single part of my vitamins. I don't take anything and there's just light at the end of the tunnel. And every time I've tried to come off my medication before, I've had these horrific withdrawals and they have tricked me into thinking that my OCD is back with a vengeance. And I thought, oh my goodness, I've forgotten how bad I was. But it's not, it's withdrawals. And once I got over that and decided for mean everyone's different, but made the decision that I wanted to come off this stuff, there's totally life at the other side of it. You don't have to be on it forever. I thought you did. It was in my life and I got so much help. And I feel

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It was for treatment, treatment for a medical conditioning that any one of us can have. And so yeah, I just really want to encourage anyone listening to this to go out, whatever it is for you, go and get the check, go and get that mo checked. Go speak to your professional about your mental health. You are not alone. There are so many people out there to support you, but honestly, such an inspiration. And you've obviously gone on to have a third child and everything fine. No, apart from the

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Fact that I thought I had food poisoning and then I gave birth to him in the spare room. This story, Wendy, he arrived at home. That's why it's called Joshua. It means God's deliverance. It was a dream, it was a great birth, it was an easy birth. I mean, I would've welcomed some gas in air, but

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Yeah, who wouldn't love that stuff?

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So it was a funny story. But night and day with regards to postpartum, he's a joy. I have loved almost every minute. I feel such lightness in my spirit and yeah, very different experience.

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So talk to me about your faith. Tell me about this evangelical alliance briefly.

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So the Evangelical Alliance, a guy that I know stood up in church and one week when they were doing the announcements, and he's part of the evangelical alliance steering program, and he said, look, we are opening up this year for our Scottish public lead cohort and we're looking for people from all walks of life to apply. So you apply, you get some references, you go through an interview process, and I was offered a place, so there's 15 of us and we are from all walks of life, all professional backgrounds, and we have each been partnered with a mentor, someone who has been there and done that, gone there before us. Some of these mentors are really high open in government. They're on the C-suite of some of the bigot. I'm thinking of a huge oil and gas company. They are in the public. They have appeared in television.

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They're really amazing caliber of mentors and alumni as well that we get to network with. And the whole ethos of evangelical alliance is how can we in a post-truth, society and culture where anything goes, shine a light for our faith in a real way? And I think so often Christians can exist in a holy huddle and we can definitely be guilty of between church and community and church friends and church groups not having to battle with culture and society and things like that. But I believe personally as a believer, that's not what God has called me to do. God has called me to be out there in the workplace. I don't work for a church. I'm not on any church payroll or anything like that. And really live my best life, be the best I can be, but stand up for my faith in a culture where cancel culture is a big thing. And we live in a post-truth society. We live in a society where everyone is about my truth and me and what can I get out of this and how I can live my life reflecting biblical principles and be different. And that came about at the same time as my podcast that you've helped me get off the ground called She's a Christian. And it was about,

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I was going to say, we have to talk about this amazing podcast. You've had such incredible messages from people all over the world, a lot of people who aren't Christians as well.

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Yeah, I've had messages from people that aren't, it's not even about to me. I, I was sharing actually a Christmas dinner the other night with my mentor that every time I sit down and write my Wednesday email or write some notes, I just feel this mental creative block. And that's not me. I am quite creative and it's almost like something in the back of my mind is saying, you are not equipped for this or you're going to get this part of theology wrong and you should lead this to the experts and you don't have the credentials and you don't have the letters after your name.

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Oh, we know who's behind this.

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And it's like every time I sit and try and put something out there, I have had feelings of that. And it's just made me more determined to stick my heels in and say, do you know what? If I can just be the person that writes the email, God, you just tell me what to write. God, you just give me inspiration. I love that to say or use other people to come and tell me what to say. So I outsourced all the boring bits to Wendy, sorry, Wendy. Wendy's business takes care of all the boring bits that I don't want to do. And she's left me with the fun job of finding people to speak to and speak keen to the people that I find. I definitely have had some messages from people who were an arbon consultant once over a decade ago, and they've got in touch to say, Hey, I dunno if you remember me, but I went to church when I was a wee girl and I fell away from the faith and I've been searching everywhere for some sort of fulfillment and nothing's filling it. And it's God, I know that it's God and I know that it's Jesus. That's the thing. Or I've had messages from some friends and maybe we share mutual Christian friends, but those Christian friends have weirded up for the rest of us and they're able to say, Louise, we spoke about Jesus in a really normal way. And actually maybe this can be something that I look at for myself. I think there's a lot to be said. Do you,

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And that's why I knew that you had to have a podcast. I knew we had to get your voice out there. You're so funny. You're so relatable, you're so real. And every time you get a wobble, I'm like, shush Louise. Absolutely. You need to hear. Or I'll challenge you and say, Nope, don't dimm your light on that. We're standing up for this or whatever. So I love that partnership and I'm going to link to Louise's podcast in the show notes. You have to check it out even if you're not a Christian or have any inclination towards faith. It's just, Louise is just funny. When I was uploading this into the podcast charts, I was like, I actually put her down as one of the categories as a comedy because I'm like, honestly, she's so funny. I mean, licking, pavements and doing all the things she does, I mean truly, it's amazing. But yes, obviously being different. I mean, I can't believe the breadth that we've covered. So we've got handbags, postnatal, depression, podcasting, business, health,

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Whiskey.

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I don't think we've left any whiskey. I don't think we've left

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Any. I've not drank my investment, to be honest. I think that's probably the grace of God. I've not drank that jar.

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But also what I love about you, Louise, is that you are being an introvert. You are so about binge watching the telly wrapped up in a duvet. Tell everyone what you ask your husband for your birthday every year. I get a lot.

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I indeed myself. Yeah, yeah, I see it. She's like, come in the morning bringing the children to greet me. And

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It's like you're living in one of those olden day,

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Send the equi up with my children and I will greet them and then take them away and give me the day to myself. And that to me is a rich life. I think we are around so many people that have these badass gangster paychecks, and there's nothing wrong with that because money, the hands of the right people is a wonderful thing. But we see

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Agreed, amen.

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So much unfulfillment around us of people trying to get more and more and more and get to the next thing and get to the next thing. And I just look around and I say, I love a handbag as much as the next person. I love a nice piece of jewelry as much as the next person, but to me, a rich life is a life of rest and slowness and the ability to have the time to sit with someone and have a chat and encourage them. And that to me is a really wealthy life. Like rich relationships and rich conversations.

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I was going to say, you can have all the money in the world, but if you time poor and you don't see your kids and you don't get to see your family, people always say to me, oh, you're so good at keeping in touch and oh, you're so good at getting involved in the community and volunteering and stuff. And I'm like, I have intentionally designed my life in a way that allows me to do those things. If I could not do those things, I would not be worth being around because I would not be a happy, fulfilled person. I would be miserable. I've done the corporate thing, I've done the working 12 hour days, earning loads of money and it didn't fulfill me, but my life now does. So I love that we're on the same page with that. And I think more and more the world is changing. We're going back to the slower ways. Thank goodness. Can I just

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Say

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Though, even just with this,

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What facilitates the slower way? Because you have to eat, you have to have a house over your head is like, can we just give a massive shout out to passive income? Because without passive income, we wouldn't be able to live slow. We've not suddenly designed a life where the bills don't need paid. And we have the luxury of not going into the office anymore. We have passive income. So investing in whiskey, investing in Chanel, sitting down and reading a book at night and stop reading the Kardashians, FYI, you can watch the Kardashians once you've got some assets that are working for you, right? You can go back to all that, educate them.

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But just to clarify for people, listen, passive income is where you have done the work or you've set up assets or things like courses. So I have it in my own business. I have a couple of courses that people can buy and people make those purchases without me having to physically do the work. And then they get added into my community where there's an automation to serve them, et cetera. And so yeah, I can literally be on the sofa like I was this afternoon when my little daughter's nativity play got canceled due to flooding in the school and spend time with her and be there for her. All the while I looked at my emails because something popped up, it caught my eye and I've made a sale on my online call that is the power of passive income. But Louise and I have both worked to set those things up in the past and continue to do so. But this is passive income is what allowed where you're not trading time for that is the key thing. But don't get me wrong, my husband has a job. He trades time for money, but slowly but surely, we are working our lifestyle. And my goal in the next 10 years is to have my husband retired and just support me in my own business, which will be an investment portfolio hopefully is as glamorous as yours though.

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I dunno. Maybe yours. I don't have any bricks and mortar. It's the least illiquid form of investment I was.

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I'm not interested in bricks and mortar into one. No, I'm not

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Interested. Brick and mortar, one bit sack that far. Too much of a boic. Do you want to spend your Saturday morning fixing washing machines? I don't.

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No. Thank you. No, thank you. It's always, we live in such a nice location here in Norfolk. People are always like, oh, you should have a bed and breakfast or self-catering. I'm like, who's going to clean? Who's going to look on? No thanks. That's just too much hard work for me. Thank you very much.

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Very intensive. But yeah, so I just wanted to say to anyone sitting, listening to this thinking, wow, it's fine for those two privileged monkeys to talk about how the slower pace of life and lying on the couch, but I'm in my minimum wage job and I'm doing that all theirs that God serves and there's nothing to spare. The secret sauce here is passive income. And you don't have to pay for any guru to come and tell you that. You can Google it, you can go into YouTube and for free, just type in passive income businesses. I can run from home. And that's what we've done. And the more you get into it, the more you think. Actually now that I've learned, they all work in the same way, right? Because they, they're all years businesses. Once you've got the mindset, it's a blueprint. You just apply one, one back to the other. And once you get into that world, you begin listening to podcasts and reading books on people that give you even more ideas. But the key is if you're sitting here thinking, I wish I could talk about living a richer life and I am working as to the grass, but what's the option? Google passive income, ways to get it. And that will you into a whole world of, and

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o powerful and it's needed in: 2024

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Exactly. And if you're listening to this and Wendy, then go and speak to Wendy. If you're listening to this and you're friends with me or you're connected me, then come and speak to me and we're happy to sit down and be really, we have nothing to happen. We don't have anyone that we care to impress. So we'd happily tell you how we built each of our businesses and what they look like and maybe help you come up with some ideas that would suit you, reach out. I hate to think people are sitting there thinking, oh, I'm living for the weekend, or I don't want to keep doing this. Reach out to one of us and we'll give you some pointers.

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Yeah, absolutely. Honestly, I love getting messages from people asking me questions, and I think we all need to stick together as women in this world especially. So yeah, thank you so much, Louise. Honestly, this has been such a fun podcast. I have loved all the topics covered. I'm going to have absolute giggle listening back to this, just thinking, what tangent were we on today? But that was amazing and I know it will bless so many people, especially your story around your postnatal, OCD, and I just thank you so much for being so vulnerable, because we know that when we share vulnerably, I know sometimes I get the hugest vulnerability hangovers from being TMI on my podcast, but then it just takes that one message from someone to say, oh my goodness, you have no idea how much that's helped me, or I've gone on to do this as a result.

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And that's the thing. We are here to be a blessing, not role models because we're not perfect. But if what we share can help others, then absolutely all for it. So thank you so much. Thank you for joining me for today's episode. If you've got value from this, please won't you take two seconds to take a screenshot and share APIC of this episode on your socials extra points. If you'd like to rate and review this podcast on your preferred platform so that we can share the love with more women wanting to thrive in their lives, do be sure to visit my website, wendy griffith.co uk to get all my free resources to support you on your thriving journey. Until next time, God bless, take care of yourself and keep thriving.